As many heads, as many marasmus….

R u a foreigner? Sorry 4 my tactlessness)

What a wonderful woman! Being 34 years old, she never had shouted before at people and never had used before “rough, taboo language”. She’s holy, I suppose=)

As a rule, this sort of people – I mean her neighbour – is wide-spread – all this annoying housewives, noisy pensioners, extremely curious mummies, so-called pedants in the worse meaning of this word… And as far as I understand there are no human beings on the earth who can stand them. The thing is they know the reason of dislike of people around. But why do they continue to behave by this way? /

Cosmopolite, rather.) Currently living in Russia. The reason for blogging in other language in this site is pointed below in first messages of the blog.

Seems, аlmost like that. Extremely intelligent, polite. Good mother, good friend. I really did not hear any of rough words told by Irina…But the matter described is not in this, but exactly in sociopathic issue that she had subconciously experienced in her childhood. That's the point. So I doubt whether every of us might be 100% aware that he or she is not infected by sociopathic bacteria in the same way)

Misantropy is unlike sociopathy. It is more conscious, I think so

Oh, I really missed the point. What about "sociopathic bacteria", I think it's a kind of avoiding the responsibility, even with all allowances of abstraction. I can't understand your opinion whether it's our grief or not.


What is more conscious? Misanthropy? Don't mind.
Moreover, it irritates me. I really don't like misantropy as a cool modern trend with all those House M.D., the phenomenon of trolling, etc. Consequently, I am misanthrope too) What do u think about all this stuff?

“Grief” is a bit hyperbolic.) I am neither positive nor negative about it. It is just a matter-of-fact conclusion I deduced. I was deadly subjective, and don't insist on my point of view. But yes, I do think we all scarcely can be sure that in the situation I described it would not be happened with us. The fetus of sociopathic behavior lives in us like a cancer cell. But in one man it is more inclined to manifest itself, in other man is less. That's the difference.

I am not sure that I got you right. Well. By misantrophy, as a category, I meant firstly conscious behavior – i. e. awareness of what you are doing ( for example, as it is in theory of Gestalt in psychology). Basically, it is general denotation of human proneness to hatred as a part of personality. The antonym of it is “philantropy”. Both of then are NOT psychical disorders, and having neither pathology nor etiology, unlike sociopathy – it exactly has , and considered ( although not unanimously) exactly as a psychical disorder.
Trolling… You posed a difficult question. Well, I think there are 2 kinds of it. First one is a role-playing game that has nothing to do with true personality of user ( 'cause it is a way “ net alter ego”). Reasons to behave this way is to blow off steam while posting any stuff on Net. It might be caused with hard rhythm of lifestyle + lot of stressful moments he or she has suffered while being at work and in off-duty time. In this context, Net is a virtual surrogate of a real “ fighting club” as it was meant in the movie of the same name…Consequently, it goes from redneck sites, You Tube replies, soccer forum wars etc. to political debates in trolling-like manner. Generally, I think not only trolling can be regarded as “ steam-off solution” but also many other net cultures… As for Russia, it was funny to me as I see how fast grows popular “gopnik culture” as about 5 years ago did “padonki”. Actually, among them about 30% those who really represent that subculture, the rest 60 are just are simulating roles. It is theatrical and totally wombat-like entertrainment , but it is! In their real lives they are pretty educated, some well off and open-minded persons, having nothing to do with the low-brow stuff they are simulating.. Back to trolling, I think that this kind of theatrical trolling is not dangerous - first toward to authors themselves, their mentality - they able to discriminate your true and false “ ego” so far , otherwise it would turn into psychiatric “ dissociation of personality”.
The second kind of trolling is self-motivated and, logically, more tied with dramatic ( often very deep) problems that are unseen at first look… when trolling is not intelligent, interesting, funny-to-read, but rough, stupid and totally arrogant. In almost all such messages, with more your scrutiny, you can see a clear-cut problem of a concrete man – by tendency of ideas in texts, lexicology, semantic consturctions, etc. - be it bitter experience in love or family life, poorly paid job, aspect of nationality, crashes of spiritual or ideological ideals, or any other thing – an issue will be a total hatred to those who have nor problems with it or , having them , can react the same things more tolerant and friendly way. And in this case it has a dangerous sociopathic trend.
There is other kind that has a strictly commercial SEO issue - as for hiring so-called “promoting trolls” in order to promote site rating = increase prices for advertisement. Topics to fuel forums might be various. But they are to be provoking. Experienced trolls knowing how to promote site and bring money + having kinda “portfolio”, are required. Нired troll have a perfect control. When situation overrun he or she always stops first.
Finally, other sub-aspect of this is a political, corporative or competitive issue. For expample, it is not a sectet that in LiveJournal ( Russian segment) there are lot of hired trolls who behave according to mastermind of any group of people who have fame is political, economical or cultural circles.

Overall, I am positive to cute, ironic and sagacious trolling - it may revive forums as a sort of spicy stuff. And totally negative to "sociopathic" trolling I mentioned before.

Don't get anxious of being infected by a mysantrophic bacillus). Your messages are positive , interesting, written in a good manner of literature language and show a high level of your knowledge. Take it easy).

Wow! Cartesian clarity of mind! Point by point. My admiration 4 u increased tremendously) Alas, I didn't meet you and your treds(?) before, even if they're “monoactive” as yoi mentioned in the first post (there's definitely something in it, at least, style). May I take interest where and how did you achieve your language level? Is it concerned with your professional activity?

Back on trolling, I'm in agreement that there is a lot of trolls' kinds, and they can be divided further, not only into 2 groups (honestly, I don't twig on what the promote troll is. And how he can promote any site. Imho, in this context he can be kinda guerilla who pull down ratings of rival companies. Or what?) But I think you substitute the ideas: trolling is always destructive and there are no pretensions from trolls to clarify any question. Is it really a method of discussion? I don't think so. The main instrument of trolling is sarcasm, whether it is delicate or lumpish. It would seem what's wrong in conviction of hebetude and greed. But everyone understands that objects of their mockeries are other things, things you love and respect.
R u cynic?)

Well, it is, true diary is being written for yourself. But it was a bit of coquetry in my words that Internet is the best way for your privacy - even if I could, I wouldn't use this way. This kind of "crypto", as other language in Russian site, is a filter of flooders and flamers, as speaking and reading other language than yours supposes a higher culture level + knowledge base. So not. Pls, feel free. Intelligent and relevant commets are welcome.)

Well. My first education is linguistics. I have academic degree into English literature of 19th century. Also I am writing fiction books in English. To master your language speaking + writing skill, need to get more practice. My family circumstances were such that England became close to me .

Your English is nice enough. Although I see casual semantic inaccuracies + some spelling flaws, but overall it is pretty good to understand what you want to express.


I said before that ironic and intelligent trolling may be useful. This kind of is not sarcasm. Sarcasm is rather flamer's tool, as rough sarcasm is "meaning smth. worse". Other kind of, sociopathic + "promoting comercially" trolling I mentioned before. The are lot of electronic tabloids on Net around that want get higher in search engines. No web programmer or such site owner tell you this in open, but it is truth. Ideally , the messages should be short but quick and chat-like, 'cause demon ( computer program) counts number of replies, no matter what was written. The more scandalous, floody, antagonistic or taboo-free it may be the more it may be popular = clicked quicker in SEO by key words, by army of users = demon sent data of visitors = rating of the site will be risen= profitable finacially.

There is something like estheticism in these words: Wilde's emanations and so forth. Or it's Fry's photo as an avatar says unpersuasively it to me)


I'm impressed. Really. Without any poor aspirations. It's first time I speak with a person of this sphere and of this level. Did you take that degree in NN? Indeed, I wanna read some of you, and, please, don't consider my wish too impudent)
Well, what about me, my profile is truth, and I'm a student in my real life, a post-graduate student (but I don't insist on correctness of this term in English). I'm a geographer. As for my English, I want it to be better. But I won't dissemble and I won't tell that I do very much for it. Could you point with your finger (with well-groomed nail as I can assume) on my rude mistakes and puffed up solecisms, please? I don't think it's the best way to improve my English, but still)

You correlated some kind of troll with his/more seldom her (gender disproportion is rather symptomatic) complexes IRL. Can complexes be an evolution engine on the scale of one human life?

It is on Net, but I am pretty doubt about it in someones' real life. Being Jeeves ( "Wooster and Jeeves" is one of my favorite serials) provides being irreproachably well bred and delicate, anyway. Sometimes our avatars tell others the things like "he/she is the same in real life". I believe it is somewhat idealistic.)

Well, I do suppose that Wilde was more dandy than gentleman in the context of "elegant living" more than "gentle behavior". So in our time being quasi-dandy in everyday life is typical enough, at least in a phenomenon of metrosexuality or in lives of people of dolce vita's world. Wilde's aesthetic approach, I suppose, would not work now – as 21th century life became faster, more nervy and pragmatic. As for being gentleman, it is not popular now. As it is in Sting song© :
"If, "Manners maketh man" as someone said
Then he's the hero of the day
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say."
So yes, "gentleman" as a lifestyle is alien. And not only in NY, but in the whole world.

My academic degree was done in other place than NN. I impressed likewise, as you while making you post graduate studies in geography, show yourself so well educated in literature and having good writing skill as an author - as it goes out of your intelligent and relevant messages.

OK, if you want.)

Corrected for spelling + coherency:
I find your words ( a bit /somewhat) (over/ too much) aesphetic. It reminds me Wilde's approach.

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Or your Fry's avatar would not convince me to think so?

In these and some others your phrases, I noticed that these are your thoughts is Russian first, put into English next. But the fact is that not always what we think in Russian might be put in English automatically word-to-word. Need to have ability to think in English first. Of course it can be reached by having more practice. I could say that I see you have both ability for wording and for spelling. Keep learning this way and you will be successful.
As a matter of fact , English now is not as it was in 19th century. There are lot of discrepancies and anomalities around , from New Zealand to Canada. So more important to catch the meaning of what was told.

Corrected for spelling + coherency:
Your have (got) correlated kinds of trolling with its rare subjective/optional gender disproportion that rather symptomatic than common/IRL in their complexes. Could the/these complexes be an evolution engine on the scale of a single human life?

Yes, but it depends. Generally, there are not an unanimous opinions about of so-called "inferiority complex". Initially it was coined, as a term , by Alfred Adler in his school of individual psychology. I myself generally believe it to be a sum of conditional denotations on our ego's manifestations. The problem of most accurate interpretation what's pathology, what's not
is still actual.

Could we call Jeeves a gentleman? Or just well-bred and delicate?


I've got you like Sting and Sade? And what else?


I sorted out this problem and try to avoid it, but rather unsuccessfully. I have very Russian type of thinking and it's a foil for me. I cogitated about the phenomenon of multilingual person, Nabokov for example or Conrad. Joyce, may be. It differs from polyglot, I suppose. Do u know other languages? Perhaps, not so well as English, but..

Absolutely. If we talk of being a being a gentleman, not to seem a gentleman. The last is more of Berie's.) So despite of disparity on the social ladder, it looks like that.


Oh, lot of . Sade and Sting are nice. But it just turned up as their songs were about the topics…To be honest, I more like jazz (both vocal and instrumental) , classical and folk music.

Actually, I think Nabokov is the same Russian-thinking writer-as far as I trace it in his phrasal constructions, ways of verbal explanation etc. in his books. And even if I hadn't known the fact that he is home Russian speaking author, I would have done it later by comparing what he had written in Russian first, then juxtaposing it with his English books - it has typical sings of obvious bilingual mentality. What is it? It is your when your non-native language is gettings in some way more colorful richer, but getting a bit artificial as it uses any new verbal constuctions. Many native American authors noticed that before him ( ie. Nabokov) nobody wrote like that…so, finally, in this case it is quite possible to say: language is getting artificially better than it is.)

Well, I knew German (not so fluent as English), Portuguese -can speak and write. I my younghood I knew Latin ( I think it is one of most perfect languages ever) so well as to wtiting my diary in it. But, due to some circumstances, I stopped learning it. Now, as I forgot a lot,my knowledge of it is very poor.

) Sorry for some spelling inaccuracy, I was in hurry, and nnov php currently is full of bugs). So it was impossible to correct it without loggin off)

Fry has very English pronunciation I think, it's more colourful than Laurie's. But, imho, it is obvious that they aren't professional actors)


However, it gives him his style, which is very recognizable. He began to speak in English and French first as it often was among Russian noble families. Besides, his father was an anglophile.


But does mistakes take place to be in his books 'cuz of it?
And what writer has absolutely typical irreproachable English? Shakespeare? Could you give me some advice what to read, please?


People who know several languages think differently, do they?

No doubt. I only meant that Nabokov's style is not typically American or British, as for those who's born there. Of course it has enriched English of 20th ( i.e. American literature) with colorful and sophisticated locutions. But, as I found it, believe his books have more rather essayistic than narrative origin. And the fact is that he was Russian born + had ( maybe a bit) aristocratic tones in speech style. I also believe cautiously, if Ivan Bunin wrote his books in English, it would be, as I suppose, smth. very close to Nabokov's style.

Many years I have been specializing into 19th century English literature. So I , logically, would suggest you these authors. And I do. Mainly, all the authors of victorian era. I would strongly recommend you to read Dickkens's books. As for plots, upshot, time-place circumstances, but, mainly, for description human individualities, I think, he has no any rival if we talk of a how to express things verbally. Other aspect of Dickkens's creativity is that all his books are totally humanistic. Next to the list, I would add American 18-19th c. romantic authors: Washington Irving, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Edgar Poe, etc. In fact, till 20th it not yet became “ American” literature , it is the same British literature, as not yet any slangs or phrasal words were implanted…
Generally, outside of most perfect or singular literature styles , I could suggest you to read everything of interest. In certain account no matter how it is written, more important what's written.
If any story, whatever perfect stylistically it is, seems to you boring or far enough from your
mentality, it would not be catching = phrases and words necessary for your foreign language knowledge would not stick in your memory.

By no means.

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